19 thoughts on “Apalachicola? What Happened to the Oysters of the Indian River Lagoon? SLR/IRL

  1. To a fisherman the reason these oysters died is simple. Oysters are stationary and depend on currents to bring them food.If you look on lagoon map Number 217 (you can find in the fishing department at Walmart) you can see oyster reefs more than a mile up sebastion river. Many times I have seen live oysters far up fresh water runoffs where you would think there is no salt at all. These fishing maps are over 30 years old and good for finding hidden sources of calcium. I have found SOFT coquina rock only 2 times and when I broke it apart milky white calcium came out. For well over 100 years there was no Home Depot and I am certain this SOFT coquina (that you could cut with an ax)was the most sought after building material. After the invention of the automobile Florida was desperate to build roads and soft coquina was the most available source at the time. So to answer Mr. Killers Question —where did all the lagoon oysters go.When they removed ALL the SOFT coquina rock they stopped the cycle that had been going on for thousands of years and dammed near killed EVERYTHING—oyster included.

    1. As we’ve pointed out a hundred and more times, our oysters have been wiped out by excessive fresh water discharges caused by over drainage of Big Ag;’s reclaimed lands south of Lake O.

      Oysters can not survive prolonged freshwater inundations. It’s that simple.

      1. The muddy shell pile they label SL C1 is nothing but a hazard to navigation! A look years later shows no mention of them on any official charts which leads me to wonder who (if anyone) issued a permit and if so why no followup or removal?

  2. Karl I can show you right now oysters that are living in fresh water runoffs that have NEVER had any backflow allowing salt water to come up stream.

  3. I have a theory as to how this happens—– The alkali metal calcium and the alkali metal sodium are very similar metals. Sodium chloride salt and calcium chloride salts are very similar also. Someone can correct me on my chemistry but I believe it takes 4 things to make calcium chloride salt —- brine —HCL—-ammonia—and calcium. I think manitees are peeing and pooing upstream and releaseing the chemicals needed for oysters(and barnicals) to survive and thrive. Once acids wear away the calcium this process will come to a screeching hault

  4. What I find more interesting than oysters is how fish normally found only in salt water travil and live far upstream after I put sand and shells in

  5. Hi Jacqui,

    You should write a book about the history of the Indian River.

    You could also make it into a documentary.

    I have authored and edited over 200 textbooks, study guides, scholarly articles, online courses, documentaries, and institutional effectiveness plans and would be glad to help you.

    Keep up the great work.

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    Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 13:24:56 +0000
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  6. I hope Karl also reads what I wrote about culvert when stick mash(lake) was devided by a road. At sun up in the morning I watch the birds all heading to their favorite fishing spots. Yesterday I went to place where people like to go to fish and there was a bunch of policemen with their arms crossed —-they did not have to say anything their body language was saying YOUR NOT FISHING HERE. Sure enough one came up to me and said He used to fish here too but the people are getting tired of it. Maby instead of wasting taxpayers money to buy swamp they can buy land so everyone can have public access to the water.

  7. Excellent information – fascinating time travel (thanks Todd), wonderful historical narrative (thanks Ms. Sandra), and all brought together on a relevant issue – thanks Jacqui!

  8. Karl I have read that you were instrumental in stopping the kill nets and would like to say thank you for a job well done.

  9. The sign at the stick marsh boat ramp read—–The stick marsh is the headwaters of the st. Johns River and the flow has been redirected so it does NOT flow into the lagoon (which is a SALT water estuary}. The st johns river flows north so I doubt any water goes south. I disagree —it has NEVER been a salt water estuary but it is obvious someone intends to turn it into one.

  10. I read the article on bass fishing in the stick marsh. People coming down from up North to catch Floridas monster bass has a long history. My dad would guide people out of Camp Holly over 50 years ago. Back then most fishing lures were home made.They were works of art. My dad still has some. I once read about the cod fish and it said they were allways releaseing the small ones and it was determined that by doing so they were causeing there to be a smaller breed of Cod. If this is true maby they should change the rules at the stick marsh to allow people to keep the smaller fish to try to create a bigger bass. The real meat on the table fresh water fish back then was the crappie. Crappie fishing is not what it used to be but I think it can be brought back.

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